Complaints about classes
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Re: Complaints about classes
Getting into the topic of the healer. What's really actually better... Arcanist/Medic or Medic/Arcanist?
At the main topic. Something I really don't like is how Nightseekers should be able to inflict full damage on the backrow with a dagger or something, like a ninja from EO3. The only thing that they can do in the backrow is trowing stuff. I'll rather use an Arcanist for status effects and just abuse Shadow bite and stuff with a front Nightseeker.
At the main topic. Something I really don't like is how Nightseekers should be able to inflict full damage on the backrow with a dagger or something, like a ninja from EO3. The only thing that they can do in the backrow is trowing stuff. I'll rather use an Arcanist for status effects and just abuse Shadow bite and stuff with a front Nightseeker.
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Re: Complaints about classes
What? My Landsknechts (I had 2) never died much. It was always my Medic and Runemaster who took the falls.
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Re: Complaints about classes
So anyone have any thoughts on the Dancer/Imperial setup?
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Re: Complaints about classes
I actually like the classes overall, but the one main complaint I have (and this applies to all other EO games too) is that the TP gain abilities of the classes is really unbalanced. Some classes have absolutely no TP gain at all, while others (mainly the unlockable ones) tend to have lots of ways to gain TP back easily. I wish every class had at least some way to potentially gain their own TP back.
And to those complaining about Medic... I haven't ever had a Medic in my EO4 team at all, either as a Primary or Secondary class, and have survived surprisingly easily, even in the early stages of the game. The Dancer and/or Arcanist can easily support a team with their defensive abilities. So to call the Medic a necessary class seems very inaccurate based on my experience with the game...
And to those complaining about Medic... I haven't ever had a Medic in my EO4 team at all, either as a Primary or Secondary class, and have survived surprisingly easily, even in the early stages of the game. The Dancer and/or Arcanist can easily support a team with their defensive abilities. So to call the Medic a necessary class seems very inaccurate based on my experience with the game...
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Re: Complaints about classes
Medic seems mostly unnecessary now, with the abundance of healing skills, which is a good thing. It still greatly increases survival rate.
I really liked the Fortress. The concept of actually taking damage instead of acting as a "ward" that reduces it (or uses Anti-element to 100% eliminate it) seems conceptually better. It provides interesting tactics with:
1. The free changing of party formation
2. Calm Breath burst
3. Dancer's line heal
4. Arcanist Circle Boon or Medic's Auto-Heal
5. Taunt/Decoy
So, what you can do is prep your fortress with rampart, aggro, or weak shield (especially if the boss has a randomly striking move), then let a boss do his damaging move. After it's happened, you can choose:
1. What your fortress should guard, generally line or party
2. How to organize your party to take advantage of Dancer Regen if you have it
3. How to organize your party to consider who's not actually attacking, and who needs to be in front for this specific turn
4. Should certain members be in the same line as the fortress or your nukers to provide def/atk buffs
What I WOULD like changed is:
1. Make Calm Breath cost more, or have a cooldown
2. Remove the ability for Runes to generate weaknesses... unless the ability to generate and take advantage of weaknesses is more wide-spread
3. Make Fortress/Dancer not be such a ridiculous tank
I really liked the Fortress. The concept of actually taking damage instead of acting as a "ward" that reduces it (or uses Anti-element to 100% eliminate it) seems conceptually better. It provides interesting tactics with:
1. The free changing of party formation
2. Calm Breath burst
3. Dancer's line heal
4. Arcanist Circle Boon or Medic's Auto-Heal
5. Taunt/Decoy
So, what you can do is prep your fortress with rampart, aggro, or weak shield (especially if the boss has a randomly striking move), then let a boss do his damaging move. After it's happened, you can choose:
1. What your fortress should guard, generally line or party
2. How to organize your party to take advantage of Dancer Regen if you have it
3. How to organize your party to consider who's not actually attacking, and who needs to be in front for this specific turn
4. Should certain members be in the same line as the fortress or your nukers to provide def/atk buffs
What I WOULD like changed is:
1. Make Calm Breath cost more, or have a cooldown
2. Remove the ability for Runes to generate weaknesses... unless the ability to generate and take advantage of weaknesses is more wide-spread
3. Make Fortress/Dancer not be such a ridiculous tank
Re: Complaints about classes
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Re: Complaints about classes
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of everyone being able to generate weaknesses... but at a less abusable way than a surefire rune. For example, if we had another bind class that had a skill to remove, say, a head bind to give the opponent a debuff that increases weaknesses to pierce. And maybe do the same with arm/blunt, and leg/slash. I like this idea because it has a potential drawback, instead of laying down an arcanist circle and forgetting about it until you need a heal or it's going to fade away. I'd also find it interesting to consume status effects for elemental weaknesses.
And if we add more options to generate weaknesses, you could increase enemy hp to compensate. Or give attack skills more flavor.
And yeah, the old danger of ambush was a lot more interesting. I maxed high caution in my party from lv 20-42, and then maxed it again after I managed to get a freak chain of 3 ambushes in 5 fights (I thought that all of the 5th maze had increased ambush rates).
And if we add more options to generate weaknesses, you could increase enemy hp to compensate. Or give attack skills more flavor.
And yeah, the old danger of ambush was a lot more interesting. I maxed high caution in my party from lv 20-42, and then maxed it again after I managed to get a freak chain of 3 ambushes in 5 fights (I thought that all of the 5th maze had increased ambush rates).
Re: Complaints about classes
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Re: Complaints about classes
Geez, why's everyone hats the Medic? Sub it with Runemaster and it's amazing!
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