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Stumped. Party change?

Postby PhelpsChick » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:56 am

I just made it to Cloudy Stronghold. I don't have access to imperial yet, but I would like to have a main.

I'm just confused with my party right now. I have

L/R F/D
R/(to be subbed Imperial) S/N A/M

They are all at least lvl 50. Am I overleveled at this point? My Runemaster does phenomenal dmg, around the 600ish dmg range for elemental weaknesses. My land's links are ok, doing 200ish dmg for weakness, but i feel like I'm not strong enough for my lvl. Will this get me through post game? I want an imperial for possibly more dmg coz I feel like my fort and sniper arent up to par with my runemaster's damage. Sometimes my fort is just like dead weight and my sniper's damage is meh. Am I doing something wrong? Should I ditch my sniper and/or fort? And if so, to what?

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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Snowdome » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:18 pm

S/A is for binding, and S/N is for... well actually I dunno. Double Squall Volley maybe.
You will need your Sniper to trigger all links in your current setup, so think L & S as a pair.
As for F, my opinion is always the same. If you feel you need him, fine; if you don't, drop him.
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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Snowdome » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:02 pm

^which makes me question the positioning of S/N again. S/A is a better binder with higher chance and TP return upon success, S/B is a better damage Squall Volley-er for TP efficiency with Charge. But for S/N, he may do 2 bind shots, or 2 Squall Volley, but (1)it is not guaranteed, and (2)S/A and S/B perform their roles better.

Shadow Clock could be a good skill, but if you got Taunt already, its usefulness is at least 50% off. My equipment was [Bow-Armor-Boot-Ring] during the main game and [Bow-Dagger-Armor-Ring] after I get the second best dagger fully forged (Ring: HP or TP accessories from trade, depending on whether I want survivability or endurability in that land), but I didn't find my Sniper too paper on the back row.
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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby PhelpsChick » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:17 pm

Hmm. L/I sounds tempting. And I like the sound of S/B. Once I get access to Imperial, I'll drop my fort and sub an imperial to R.

Then my team will be

L/I I/R
R/I S/B A/M

I'll see how it works out for me. Thanks guys.

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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Doktor_Q » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:40 am

I still don't know why you'd want R/A. Runemasters are missing Luck, which is the larger portion of the status application formula.


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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Doktor_Q » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:56 am

Yeah, Runemasters gain nothing from the Arcanist skill pool, unless you really need Bracing Walk/Warding Mist.


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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Snowdome » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:57 am

It affects all damaging skills, be it physical, elemental, untyped or TEC-based.
At least that's what atwiki says.
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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Snowdome » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:25 am

Poison damage is fixed and I believe it is not affected by the attacker's modifier. Also, so far I cannot see any damage taken modifier that can increase the amount.
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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Doktor_Q » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:31 pm

Venom throw doesn't benefit from damage bonuses, just duration (Black Mist) and application chance (Luck/Tec/Ailment Boost).


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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Doktor_Q » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:29 pm

Hardly. Luck is the biggest status application factor, with Tec playing like, 1/2 to 1/3 as much role. The skill itself has a chance of applying it, too, which improves as the throw levels. Notice how all the status classes tend to favor high luck and high Tec, this is why.


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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Doktor_Q » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:43 pm

...Mine has pretty good Tec, compared to the physical types...

Gotta check this one. Anyway, Luc is weighted much higher for applying and resisting statuses and binds.


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Re: Stumped. Party change?

Postby Snowdome » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:30 am

Worst TEC goes to Bushi; Nightseeker is rank 6 out of 10.
Honestly I have no idea how status infliction rate works and how Venom Throw changes as more SP is put on it. Where do you see TEC plays a factor in it? LUC should play a role since it affects Mist Dance too. Also, for Poison Circle of Arcanist, only rank 4 and 8 increases the chance to inflict (or at least that's what the tooltip says in-game), but I dunno if that's the case for Venom Throw.
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