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| Hanyou |
 Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:01 pm |
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Bloodant
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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As many times as I've seen that movie/read that book, I still can't sympathize with that heartless bastard. I don't get how Burgess expected us to sympathize with a child rapist.
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| ziron |
| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:46 pm |
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Killclaw
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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By killing 70% of the prison system that is connect to gangs, you effectively solve the money, space, and perpetuating gang problem.
Again I said this method is basically akin to becoming genocidal against criminals who have joined a gang or are repeat offenders.
However, I'd change the laws in many other ways to help combat this. Drinking age lowered to 18 for one (Teens already drink well below 21 and 1 . I'd put classes in highschool that are mandatory and they are about alcohol education. A large majority of the more gentle drugs would be made legal. Maurjuana, Some of the Hallucigens would be allowed. I'd wouldn't legalize cocaine and few other drugs because they support foreign crime syndicates, however, I'd take the money saved in prisons and the money made in the taxation of pot and hullicangen sales (it wouldn't be very extensive, I'm not an asshole) to upgrade the police force. Kids caught doing crime will be allowed an option of therapy (not brainwashing, but normal therapy as many people who go therapy feel 20% better than they did if they didn't when dealing with emotional issues). As crime rates reduce, I'd start pouring money into schools and colleges.
And to explain my thoughts further:
Gang Crime/Racketering -> Death Penalty
Sexual Assualt/Rape/Child Molestation (I respect romeo and juliet laws however) -> Death Penalty
Intentional Violent Crime -> Death Penalty or Military Service (For life, If you take someone's freedom, I'm going to make you lose your's.)
Unintentional Violent Crime -> Rehabilitation (You are imprisoned or jail, however you are allowed many freedoms, and you and the people you have harmed are made to participate in therapy in which you attempt to get over the violence you have caused)
And, A Clockwork Orange is specifically written to make you not appeal with the main character. In fact, the book almost shows everybody as being on some level in society. |
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| Hanyou |
| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:29 pm |
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Bloodant
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Quote: Gang Crime/Racketering -> Death Penalty
The punishment may not fit the crime. It's that simple. Simply tossing out the death penalty for organized crime in general undermines the whole justice system.
Quote: Sexual Assualt/Rape/Child Molestation (I respect romeo and juliet laws however) -> Death Penalty
I agree anyone who commits these crimes deserves the death penalty, but there's also a real possibility that the death penalty endangers the victims of these crimes. In short, you could well see more people who are sexually assaulted murdered as well.
Quote: Intentional Violent Crime -> Death Penalty or Military Service (For life, If you take someone's freedom, I'm going to make you lose your's.)
Military service? Do you really want large portions of our military force to be made up of convicted felons? I hate to think about how they'd conduct themselves on the battlefield.
Quote: Unintentional Violent Crime -> Rehabilitation (You are imprisoned or jail, however you are allowed many freedoms, and you and the people you have harmed are made to participate in therapy in which you attempt to get over the violence you have caused)
So if you kill a guy while you're sober and fully aware of your actions, you get your head chopped off, but if you kill a guy while you're drunk, you get a pretty easy life.
Oh, and the victims of your crime have to re-live it and stay locked in a room with you for therapy. Great. |
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| ziron |
| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:52 pm |
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Killclaw
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Hanyou wrote: Quote: Gang Crime/Racketering -> Death Penalty
The punishment may not fit the crime. It's that simple. Simply tossing out the death penalty for organized crime in general undermines the whole justice system.
Quote: Sexual Assualt/Rape/Child Molestation (I respect romeo and juliet laws however) -> Death Penalty
I agree anyone who commits these crimes deserves the death penalty, but there's also a real possibility that the death penalty endangers the victims of these crimes. In short, you could well see more people who are sexually assaulted murdered as well.
Quote: Intentional Violent Crime -> Death Penalty or Military Service (For life, If you take someone's freedom, I'm going to make you lose your's.)
Military service? Do you really want large portions of our military force to be made up of convicted felons? I hate to think about how they'd conduct themselves on the battlefield.
Quote: Unintentional Violent Crime -> Rehabilitation (You are imprisoned or jail, however you are allowed many freedoms, and you and the people you have harmed are made to participate in therapy in which you attempt to get over the violence you have caused)
So if you kill a guy while you're sober and fully aware of your actions, you get your head chopped off, but if you kill a guy while you're drunk, you get a pretty easy life.
Oh, and the victims of your crime have to re-live it and stay locked in a room with you for therapy. Great.
I'd didn't say I wrote out the fine points. If you're drinking and driving, then you probably a problem with alcohol. Uhhh Anyways, The people you harmed I guess wouldn't have to go, but It'd be supported with tax credit. And Gangs and death penalty...I don't see why that is so bad, are you in a gang? People should respect authority, if we let them undermine it and then provide a place for it to grow like an infestation we are doing society injustice. |
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| Scy |
| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:54 pm |
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Manticor
Joined: 14 Jul 2008
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And yet society is what itself has bred the creation of gangs and other groups of that nature. It's not like this is a perfect world and they're rebelling because they want to; systemic racism or other forces have otherwise led them to that. Not that I'm defending gangs, mind you, but it's not like there isn't blame to be placed outside of themselves for that route.
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Who knew my Sociology minor would come in handy.
Edit: I see no "problem" in the Death Penalty for extremely heinous (i.e., mass murder) crimes given a beyond 100% belief that they are truly guilty.
The issue then, however, is the ability to satisfy that requirement.
Quite frankly, life in prison for major crimes is more-or-less the better solution than offing criminals. What we define as major crimes worthy of high prison sentences, however, makes this solution a bit problematic. |
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| epicurius7 |
| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:36 am |
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Ragelope
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Location: Australia
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I think that the death penalty is attractive because it is simple and cheap solution with instant 'retribution' for the surviving victims.
But it's rarely an exact eye-for-an-eye punishment. Killing someone in retribution isn't going to give them any opportunity to suffer the consequences and regret their actions. Killing someone else who is important to them is more exact, but hardly fair either.
What about developing methods to make criminals actually understand and suffer through the consequences of their actions upon others (brute force empathy)? As in, some kind of technology that literally causes the criminal to experience an empathic response. But then taken too far, that could be seen as being equally inhuman, and capital punishment would seem to be the -more- humane option. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:06 am |
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Ragelope
Joined: 01 May 2009
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epicurius7 wrote: I think that the death penalty is attractive because it is simple and cheap solution with instant 'retribution' for the surviving victims.
But it's rarely an exact eye-for-an-eye punishment. Killing someone in retribution isn't going to give them any opportunity to suffer the consequences and regret their actions. Killing someone else who is important to them is more exact, but hardly fair either.
What about developing methods to make criminals actually understand and suffer through the consequences of their actions upon others (brute force empathy)? As in, some kind of technology that literally causes the criminal to experience an empathic response. But then taken too far, that could be seen as being equally inhuman, and capital punishment would seem to be the -more- humane option.
Forced regret is hardly regret at all.It's the intention as much as the action that should be punished;if the killer showed remorse but not by his/her own free will I would hardly consider it proper rehabilitation.
I have no qualms with a death sentence,but who wields the executioner's axe?Who watches the watchmen?
Which is why current Justice systems,I feel,uphold not justice but societal order.This not neccesarily a bad thing,though if you seek true justice,you're likely on the wrong planet. |
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