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I picked up Stone of Tears about a week ago and finished the ~700 pages I had left. It was pretty good. The amount of reader face-palm moments was truly staggering. It felt like Goodkind used dramatic irony a bit too much.

Richard was cute when he was (understandably) being a bitch, though. And then Verna was a bitch back and now I prefer Richard/[s]Warren[/s]Verna to Richard/Kahlan. [hide]You know, the canon couple. Nice exchange at the end, there. "Woah, if you suck on my nipple, I better be able to suck on yours." And then they fucked.[/hide]

Also, is it just me, or is Richard coming off as a bit of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu? I mean, he's pretty much the chosen one and keeps on beating previous records of learning by a hundred or so years, but whatever.

I mean, I still enjoyed it; I was just accentuating the negative.

It's hard to keep from turning your main characters into Mary Sue characters. You know what, I stopped trying to avoid it when I realized that Maxine's talents were suffering - AND DAMMIT, SOMETIMES DEUS EX MACHINA HAPPENS!!

yes but Deus Ex Machina leaves the reader feeling shafted, in most cases.

I disagree with Maxine. Good characters should not be Mary Sues.

It's a problem that plagues most fantasy main characters though.

And Richard is a total fucking Gary Stu. [hide]Every woman he encounters wants to marry him or -- fuck -- does marry him. He gets every super power. Is rarely wrong. Saves the world. Etc etc[/hide].

And deus ex machina is just weak story telling.

I think its weak storytelling to limit yourself to ONLY pleasing your readers and trying to conform to general society and what they view is right or wrong. That's just bullshit mainstream writing.

It's typically pleasing to know the character you are reading about is a flawed, unique person and not just a Mary Sue/Gary Stu

and it's typically pleasing when a conflict is resolved by the character's skill (or the writer's wit) and not by a deus ex machina

and neither of those are weak storytelling

noodles' post is full of win. I don't think I could have said it better myself. :3

uh .-.

? what... ?? I'm complimenting? something wrong? that is your "crying" face isn't it?