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That Brawl image ... what a terrible Ike player. Seriously ... he has some decently fast aerials and his neutral-A is pretty fucking fast. Who the fuck uses his fsmash anyway outside of ledge guards and otherwise incapacitated targets?

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I'm too serious of a Brawl player aren't I

(also, lolwut itemz and not Final Destination?)

are you a tourneyfag

are you

*shrugs* 1v1s are no items with 4 stock on Final Destination for me and are the "only" matches that "matter." Yeah, sure, I'll do 4 player FFA stuff but they're pretty stupid and lame.

I'm a pretty good player and understand waaay too many of the technical nuances of the game. So ... yeah, I guess I am a tourneyfag then. It IS a competitive game after all so I do play to "win" when I do ... in the same vein that any versus mode for other games I play to "win." A shame that there's not too many other people here that are really good so I don't get to play much and have a good "serious" match.

Incidentally, I've never actually entered a "real" tourney ... I just prefer 1v1s. Real as in ... I dunno, the stuff that has cash rewards. Just a few small things around here I've done and won >>.

I just...cannot understand why people like having no items, final destination etc.

I mean, if you want to turn off all the cool stuff in brawl and play on the blandest level imaginable....you should just be playing Tekken or something. Brawl a party fighter and nothing more. It is meant to have weapons and FINAL SMASH and fucking Arwings shooting at you or Kraid spinning the level around or Bullet Bill slamming into you. If it was meant to be a 1v1 fighter with no way of taking damage other than melee and projectiles from the players, they wouldn't go through the trouble of making a million fucking items and levels that have so much shit happening at once.

I mean when I'm playing with Samus, I'm not thinking "MAN SAMUS HAS A LOT OF GOOD AERIAL MOVES" I'm thinking "FUCK YEAH I'M SAMUS!" It doesn't make me shallow or dumb. Smash Bros was built not to be a fighting game, but to be a game that has a bunch of nintendo shit everywhere.

I can enjoy a more technical fighter like Tekken where there are grabs that correspond to the body part the opponent is attacking with. But when I want to enjoy something like that, I play Tekken, not Smash Bros.

Meh. Katie (the artist) knows Ike has faster attacks, she just wanted to make fun of him :[

Back in the melee days, in one on one encounters we played without items because I'd like lose 3/5 of my lives in one round because a barrel would spawn infront of me or a bob-bomb would appear JUST as I unleash my attack. Though they were still fun in free for alls!

In Brawl, we have items on at all times and we don't really care about winning. I like kamikaze. :3 In the Melee days I had a lot of friends who were tourney go'ers so they kind of corrupted me and even took me along a few times, so naturally I had to learn all of that advanced stuff to compete. Now with Brawl I can leave all of that stuff behind since not only do those techniques no longer work anymore but I really don't enjoy competitive gaming. :] Though I still hate stages that inflict damage unless it's basic like Mario Circuit or Corneria. Spear Pillar and WarioWare are the worst stages EVER.

I personally hate fighting games, though I don't consider Smash Brothers a fighting game. Even if you turn off all items and play on "starter" stages, it's still primarily a platformer at heart. No fighting game has an engine anything like it. Double jumps, recovery, recovery interruption, all of this crazy stuff is just out of the park. I'd consider the game "Platformer/Fighter" at best, as opposed to "Fighter/Platformer" as the fighting elements are watered down more and more with each installment, hmm? Just remember that if the brilliant developer Masahiro Sakurai didn't want people to play with no items on Final Destination, then he wouldn't have left the option to turn them off. There is no right or wrong way to play the game. That's why there are so many options and game modes!

btw imo SSB64>SSBB>SSBM. I didn't realize how much I disliked melee until the recent years.

Edit on the subject;

Happy 3rd anniversary Dr. McNinja!

Meh, I like Melee more just due to me being better at some of the mechanics (aerials, fast falls, L-cancels, waveshine/dash etc). That said, I find Brawl a bit more fair on characters (though the Sheik dair being terrible makes me sad and the Jigglypuff nerfs) so whatever ... though a good Wolf is lame imo (and why I love Wolf since I'm so fucking cheap with him~).

I completely disagree on the game being "bland" or anything of the sort at the 1v1 "tourneyfag" level. The sheer level of stuff going on more than makes up for the "loss" of items. Nor is it "like Tekken." I personally can't even stand Tekken, Soul Calibur, or any of those but find the Smash Bros. games fucking awesome. They're very, very different games (if only due to the vast amounts of mobility involved).

I have no problems with items but I find them stupid; a well timed Pokeball or Assist Trophy or Final Smash or fucking anything, really, can turn the tide one way or the other; not a "waaah items is why I lost" either as I'm pretty good at catching items thrown at me or reflecting with shield (or Reflector since I normally use Wolf). I just like having no "random" elements IN ONE ON ONE MATCHES. I can play with items and all that jazz but it's just "not serious," and goofing off kind of things. That's all. A bunch of us playing and drinking and the sheer mayhem is awesome but when we want some serious "technical" matches, 1v1, no items, FD.

Also, some stages are just stupid retarded (Flat Zone 2 can burn in fucking hell).